Meteor Accidents - 1. Such things in those days were not appalling but just what happened in aviation. Archimedes. 13th Nov 2. Bob Cossey's history of 7. Sqn suggests that all Meteors were temporarily grounded as a result (Cossey doesn't refer to the second accident), and some skin wrinkling was detected, although there was no evidence that this had been a cause of the crash of Fg Off Ward. The grounding would seem to have been lifted very quickly.
As John Farley says, the standards were different then - Ward was the third casualty suffered by 7. Sqn in 3 months, and it would appear that while everyone was saddened by the loss of their comrades, the fatalities did nothing to impinge upon the effectiveness of the squadron, since it was accepted that this sort of thing just happened. Nov 2. 00. 7, 0. 0: 3. I watched the one at Coningsby, I was just about to get into my aircraft when it happened. I never read the BOI report but IIRC the aircraft suffered a double mainplane failure, possibly as a result of previous overstressing. There is a thread about Meteor accidents that might still be in the archives. BEagle. 14th Nov 2. More than a million people visited 7. RAF airfields.. Are there even 7 nowadays? Nov 2. 00. 7, 0. 5: 4. Oh for the days when flying was dangerous and sex was safe!! GAGSE8. 6Kitbag. 14th Nov 2. And the Biggin Hill event was attended by 4 times as many people than are in the RAF now. Fareastdriver. 14th Nov 2. Way back in 1. 95. FTS at Heany, in the then Rhodesia. They had cases of students being chopped because they refused to go on to advanced jet training, such was the Meteor. When he got abeam his room he was horrified to see a frontal view of a Meteor in new brickwork. If you are in the front pull yourself down under the wing, in the back, flop onto it. Apart from the Effects Officer. It was redecorated and had brand new furniture, new washbasin, the lot. When he got abeam his room he was horrified to see a frontal view of a Meteor in new brickwork. Meteor went into the west wing of the mess killing the pilot. His 'ghost' used to be a point of discussion with new Doris' on the way to MME to nightstop at the George hotel (as the Officers Mess became) in the vain hope of getting a scarified young girl to seek protection in the strong manly arms of the hunky flightcrew!!!; )Jetex Jim. Nov 2. 00. 7, 2. 1: 3. Interesting look back at the 'good old days'. My dad was a national service aircraft electrician. He'd was a qualified sparks before he was called up. He and some of his mates had to supply their own tools because the RAF didn't. He also has a few tales about fatal accidents involving ground crew because of poor safety practices with armed ejector seats. Vox Populi. 14th Nov 2. Doing some research in 'The Times' Digital Archive I came across this entry from a report about the September 1953 Battle of Britain displays. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. At the young age of 16, Buffy was chosen to hunt vampires, demons, and the forces of darkness. After the ordeal at Hemery High Buffy Summers. Industry information at your fingertips. Over 200,000 Hollywood insiders. Enhance your IMDb Page. Sorry, are these figures for the RAF in the UK? If so I am truly shocked. Nov 2. 00. 7, 0. 0: 1. They are the RAF losses, UK and overseas. The PM1. 5th Nov 2. Nothing to do with prangs, but some may find this pic of interest: http: //i. John. The. PM/2. 00. I'm assuming 'Poodles' Wood in the Vamp. Who flys the Meatbox for them? The PM1. 5th Nov 2. Sorry Wiley, not 1. I do seem to recall that as the Meteor and Hornet were joining up, the commentator made mention that the guy flying the Meteor was an ex Canadian Hornet driver, possibly Darren Crabb? I recall an FSO course in 1. Flight Safety related losses in WW2 far outnumbered those due to operations. The massive post WW2 loss rate, in particular on the Meteors, led directly to the founding of what became the complete RAF Flight Safety system, from incident to STI, on which we were being instructed. I see that your table stops at 2. I fear that a hard won lesson is having to be learned afresh. Sven Sixtoo. 17th Nov 2. I joined the RAF in 1. As you say the summaries say little, but the stats tell their own story. The spike in the number of deaths resulting form the Chinook crash at Mull in 1. Of course the drastic cuts in the military aviation fleet over the years has to be borne in mind when one sees the graphs dipping ever further to the right hand corner. Lyneham Lad. 17th Nov 2. Well, I cannot compete with the earlier colour picture, but I do have a rather scrappy shot of the Old Pair at a Valley Open Day in the mid- 7. Lyneham. I never flew it myself, our course was the first to train on JPs, but Vampires and Meteors (for those too lanky for the MB seats in the Vamp) were used by the entries senior to us at Sleaford Tech. No doubt someone of their vintage will correct me, but AFAIK there was a band of Eng RPM that was verboten on the approach (to avoid surges?) not the cleverest limitation for a training aircraft. The effect of this was that the MO kept his window open, even in the depths of winter, with his mini parked outside. Thus one could be only half way through one's heart wrenching list of ailments and symptoms hoping for a sickie, when at the first peep of the station crash alarm you were addressing an empty chair! The other endearing feature of the Vamp was that the U/C and flap selectors could and sometimes were confused. Thus the after landing tidy up could be anything but as with a graunch she settled onto her belly! Hummingfrog. 17th Nov 2. Accident rates are an emotive topic and it is hard to believe the numbers who lost their lives in the immediate post war period. Even in my time my course (1. GE 1. 97. 4/7. 5) lost 2. I almost added to that while CAT 5ing a Bulldog: eek: RIP RR and NS: (HFFareastdriver. Nov 2. 00. 7, 2. 2: 3. The Vampire's U/C and flap levers were down the bottom of the throttle pedestal, virtually out of sight. The QFI later became an Air Commodore! Warmtoast. 19th Nov 2. From my album. Meteor F8 - 4. Sqn Biggin Hill 1. Hunter F5's in August 1. Not much room for formation. Fareastdriver. 19th Nov 2. Judging bythe dust coming from his port mainwheel, he is OFF the taxiway. Flatus Veteranus. Nov 2. 00. 7, 1. 8: 1. I flew in the Middleton- st- George aerobatic team (the . In the later days of the Meteor (I flew at RAFCAW in 6. Is this why I did not experience the 'phanton dive'? From memory the aircraft felt a bit odd but did nothing untoward. Fareastdriver. 20th Nov 2. IIRC the Dewent had only one accessory drive so the generator was on the starboad and the hyraulic pump on the port engine. The later, Mk 8 and similar, with a different fin didn't suffer so much. BEagle. 20th Nov 2. Fareastdriver, I managed to scrounge 3 trips in the back of 'Clementine', the Brawdy target- towing Meteor T7, whilst at TWU. Effect of airbrakes with asymmetric power. Remember our Vampire formation aeros display for you on 0. It could easily happen with a/b . I don't know if it still exists or is needed but back in the early 5. S. O. P was that if one of your students went in you as his QFI had to meet and look after the family when they came for the funeral and burial. The hotel used for their accommodation was normally the Shrubbery in Ilminster hence the memories. One of mine, not doing as he was told, made a hole near Watchett, and looking after the family and being careful in what one said to them following the inevitable question . I was a QFI at Turnhouse until it closedshack. Nov 2. 00. 7, 0. 9: 4. Sorry Airborne Artist I was not querying if the Shrubbery still exists but if QFIs still have to look after families, badly written I feel. BEagle. 31st Dec 2. Well, I was down in Zumazett yesterday, so went to find my old 'goofing spot' from whence I used to watch the jets when we had both a real air force and, later, fleet air arm: http: //i. An ideal spot to watch aircraft on the approach to RW 2. Control Tower or, occasionally, from Westlands (just off the right of the picture - now a gyspy camp). I couldn't believe how narrow the lanes are in that part of the world! My SLK isn't a big car, but I didn't remember the roads being so small. More unpleasant though was the number of nanny- state speed limits now inflicted upon the fast country roads I once used in the 1. It'd drive me mad if I had to live there now with the roads having been so badly ruined..: mad: Every few miles there's another 3. GPS bongs away the whole time with 'safety camera' warnings. Good to see 'The Volunteer' had re- opened though! I didn't have time to call in, but will do so in the summer, I hope. What does this have to do with Meatbox prangs? He remarked at upset he was during his pre war RFC days, when colleagues were killed in accidents. He explained that they were a product of a gentler Victorian age and were not inured to the thought of 'sudden and unpleasant death' which was brought on by two world wars. That was a possible explanation for the lack of concern at the casualty rate in the fifties. After all many had been through the war and were well used to the idea of sudden and unpleasant death. The pendulum has certainly swung the other way. Gentler times! Flatus Veteranus. Jan 2. 00. 8, 1. 7: 1. Corsair. You speak the truth. I flew it`s `clone`, ,ex- Swiss T5. U- 1. 23. 0) about 1. B`mth,after it had been bought,and was in 5. Sqdn colours,red/white chequers on fuselage, and tail- booms. Further investigations revealed nothing to show any excess hot air/gas leaks,and ground running could not reproduce the fault. Same thing happened next flight. Anyway, the situation resloved itself after one of the lower compressor cans was changed and the cockpit wiring combining/junction boxes were recleaned, and all went well after that. The a/c now resides in Norway. Syc. PS- Always expect the unexpected, and dont stop a Vampire on tarmac.. The whole assembly was tested for strength, but they had not accounted for a halving in the components strength when the skin would rip starting at rivet holes There's a paper in the Cranfield archive C. P No. Technical Report from May 1. Vampiredave. 3rd Sep 2. Flatus Veteranus: What was the Christian name of Master Pilot Morton, whom I believe flew with your Meteor team? RIHoward. 3rd Sep 2. The change of design strategy from Safe Life to Fail Safe is the other probable reason for the reduction in fatalities that reach a peak in '5. All U. K A/c designed after '5.
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